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Six Pixels of Separation Podcast

May 5, 2024

Welcome to episode #930 of Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast.

Here it is: Six Pixels of Separation - The ThinkersOne Podcast - Episode #930. I’ve known Juliette Powell since she was a famed VJ on MusiquePlus - MuchMusic and I was a music journalist back in the mid-ninties. While we lost touch over the years, we reconnected when she published her book about social media in 2008, 33 Million People in the Room - How to Create, Influence, and Run a Successful Business with Social Networking, and more recently with her latest, The AI Dilemma - 7 Principles for Responsible Technology (co-authored with Art Kleiner). The balance between innovation and ethics with artificial intelligence is becoming increasingly crucial. Juliette, a seasoned consultant at the intersection of technology and business (wit her consultancy, KPI), addresses this challenge head-on in The AI Dilemma. The book is a roadmap for businesses and governments looking to harness AI's potential responsibly. Juliette delves into the pressing issues surrounding AI deployment and the imperative of upholding ethical standards. With her extensive background consulting for multinational companies and her research at Columbia University, Juliette brings a wealth of knowledge and a unique perspective to the AI discourse. She explores the dual nature of AI - its capacity to drive unprecedented progress and its potential to perpetuate harm. She articulates the seven principles outlined in her book, which serve as guidelines for developing AI systems that support human flourishing while minimizing risks. These principles focus on rigorous risk assessment, transparency, data protection, bias reduction, accountability, organizational flexibility, and fostering an environment of psychological safety and creative friction. Juliette's insights are informed by real-world examples and her collaborations with institutions like Intel Labs and governmental bodies, which underscore the complexity of AI’s impact across various sectors. Our discussion also touches on the broader social implications of AI, including the challenges posed by data ownership, the illusion of personalized experiences, and the global divide in data value. Juliette addresses the confusion surrounding the term 'AI' and the critical need for digital literacy to navigate its consequences effectively. We all know that AI presents significant challenges but it also offers remarkable opportunities for those willing to engage with it thoughtfully and ethically. Enjoy the conversation...


  • Understanding the impact of AI requires critical thinking and digital literacy.
  • Data ownership and the responsible deployment of AI are crucial considerations.
  • Government regulation and international cooperation are necessary to address the challenges of AI.
  • The term 'AI' is often misused and misunderstood, leading to confusion in the marketplace.
  • The development and deployment of AI should be driven by ethical considerations and a risk-benefit analysis.
  • The Apex Benchmark.
  • Alignment and Human Values: Ensuring that AI systems align with human values is a complex challenge, as different cultures and individuals have varying moral perspectives. 
  • Creative Friction and Diverse Perspectives: The best products and ideas are often the result of collaboration and diverse perspectives. 
  • AI as a Tool for Creativity: AI can enhance human creativity by providing new perspectives, prompting exploration of new ideas, and generating content. 
  • Ethics, AI, and the Future of Work: The ethical implications of AI are significant, particularly in relation to job displacement and income inequality. 
  • Unconditional Love and Connection: The power of unconditional love and connection can shape our perspectives and actions. 


  • 00:00 0 Introduction and Background
  • 02:28 - Early Recognition of AI's Impact
  • 04:02 - Understanding Machine Learning and Data Ownership
  • 06:36 - Lack of Transparency in AI Systems
  • 07:42 - The Quandary of Personal Data and AI
  • 09:33 - The Disconnect Between Public Awareness and Concern
  • 11:08 - The Rise of AI and Data as New Oil
  • 15:12 - The Need for Responsible AI Deployment
  • 16:24 - Government Discourse and Regulation on AI
  • 21:35 - Nationalism and Geopolitical Competition in AI
  • 24:18 - Confusion and Misuse of the Term 'AI'
  • 28:56 - The Importance of Digital Literacy
  • 32:19 - The Pressure to Deploy AI and the Lack of Understanding
  • 39:16 - The Excitement and Impact of ChatGPT
  • 41:26 - The Apex Benchmark and the Race to Follow
  • 45:23 - Alignment and the Challenge of Human Values
  • 48:53 - Creative Friction and the Power of Diverse Perspectives
  • 50:09 - The Medium is the Message: AI as a Tool for Creativity
  • 54:24 - Ethics, AI, and the Future of Work
  • 55:56 - Unconditional Love and the Power of Connection